Show 017 – Burny Mattinson, Part Two

Burny Mattinson, Part Two

Burny Mattinson has worked at Disney Animation for well over 50 years on such titles as Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty, Robin Hood, The Rescuers, Mickey’s Christmas Carol, The Great Mouse Detective, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, Mulan. In part two, Burny describes his transition from his short lived career as a full-fledged animator to a story artist and then to director. He also tells about the transition the studio made from Walt to the twilight of the careers of the Nine Old Men to the development of newer talent that has led the studio through the last 25 years.

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Continue for Show Notes…

  • 0:00:00: The Intro Voice
  • 0:00:39: Theme Song by DJ Sweettooth (Joe Moshier)
  • 0:00:45: Welcome
  • 0:01:14: Intro
  • 0:01:29: Winnie the Pooh and getting in to story
  • 0:03:31: Story with Woolie Reitherman on the Rescuers
  • 0:04:55: Creating the diamond
  • 0:06:41: Rescuers rippling water
  • 0:08:22: Experience with Walt Disney
  • 0:12:47: Direction without Walt Disney
  • 0:14:33: Still the young kid
  • 0:15:20: Transition during Fox and the Hound
  • 0:16:55: Boarding process on Fox and the Hound
  • 0:19:25: Woolie’s flying experience applied to animation
  • 0:21:33: Story artists
  • 0:22:25: Woolie removed as director
  • 0:24:52: Problems on Black Cauldron
  • 0:28:17: Pitching Mickey’s Christmas Carol
  • 0:31:42: Promoted to director
  • 0:32:22: Finding voices for the cast
  • 0:37:45: Glen Keane and Mark Henn animating
  • 0:39:40: Ed Gombert getting in to story
  • 0:41:11: Length of Mickey’s Christmas Carol
  • 0:41:21: Union strike
  • 0:41:52: Working under the radar
  • 0:42:55: Wrapping up
  • 0:43:18: Conclusion of Part 2
  • 0:43:31: Survey Result: Favorite films 10-6 [LINK]
  • 0:44:26: Voice messages [LINK]
  • 0:45:00: Feedback info
  • 0:45:56: Malibu Triathlon for charity [LINK]
  • 0:46:35: Survey Result: Favorite films 5-1 [LINK]
  • 0:47:41: Conclusion

Related posts:

  1. Show 016 – Burny Mattinson, Part One
  2. Show 019 – Burny Mattinson, Part Four
  3. Show 018 – Burny Mattinson, Part Three
  4. Show 008 – Ron and John, Part Two

51 Responses to “Show 017 – Burny Mattinson, Part Two”

  1. kaveh says:

    took a while but it was worth it. thanks clay!

  2. Dagan says:

    SO worth the wait… Mr. Mattinson really gives a great
    interview!
    Great work, Clay! :)

    -Dagan M.

  3. J.W. Chen says:

    oh~ thank you thank you thank you

  4. I’m glad you guys are liking it! Thanks for taking the time to comment here.

  5. Corey says:

    Awesome. I was thinking today while listening and animating my final film, how seriously blessed we are that you are supplying these interviews for everyone. I realize this because it’s so difficult to find information from seasoned animators.

    Some friends and I were wondering why Disney never gives you any insight from the animation perspective of their films on their DVDs. It’s always the celebrity voices and the music. It’s like the animators are a secondary thought. What the..!

    Anyway thanks again Clay!!

  6. Kristine B says:

    yea! just intime for my birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Thanks CLAY!

  7. Zapnut says:

    Great show Clay! Always fun listening to the stories any animator has with their experiences at the big D.

  8. J says:

    Yay!
    Been checking here every day since the last podcast, so finally being able to listen to the next part of the Burny Mattinson interview has made my week! No, my whole month!

  9. N says:

    Such a treasure! Can’t wait for the rest.

  10. warren says:

    I have to say you are really doing us working stiffs a great great service. Before this podcast and blog, I’d never be able to listen to these folks unless I was working in the same studio – or more accurately, the next desk over. I can’t thank you enough. So much of this can add to my working habits it’s crazy.

    Oh, and thanks for the thanks!

  11. Benjamin DS says:

    Some friends and I were wondering why Disney never gives you any insight from the animation perspective of their films on their DVDs. It’s always the celebrity voices and the music. It’s like the animators are a secondary thought. What the..!
    Though, coincidentally, on the Disney Treasures Mickey Mouse in Living Colour Volume 2, the making of Mickey’s Christmas Carol is probably the most animation-oriented Disney making-of’s I’ve seen. About why certain animators were chosen for certain roles, how they approached it, what the challenges were, etc.

    Wonderful podcast, Clay! It’s really interesting to hear from someone who’s got such a history in the field. Looking forward to the other two (and all the others, obviously)!

  12. Corey – It’s hard for me to answer that since I am a bit biased. Still, I don’t imagine many people pop in their animation DVDs to jump to the parts where the voice talent is being interviewed. There is a place for that, but the extras should be about the process, don’t you think?

    Kristine – Happy Birthday! :)

    Zapnut, J and N – I’m humbled by your excitement.

    Warren – Oh no, thank you for stopping by. That little player is cool. I should go back and add it to the previous show posts. I’ll surely use it in the future.

    Benjamin – How’s it going? I’m so bad, I don’t have that Mickey set. I should borrow it and check it out. That making-of sounds great.

    Yes, it feels great to eek out another show. It’s been too long and I felt way too rusty doing it. I’m glad you guys are still out there. There is much more to come.
    -Clay

  13. Kevin R says:

    No guest can ever talk too long on these podcasts. I can listen to them all day long!!

    Thanks Clay, you rock!!

  14. emma says:

    thanks clay!

    just wondering does the enhanced version only play on ipod video, not nanos… it doesnt play in itunes either… is this normal.?

  15. Emma – It should play on a nano. In iTunes make sure you have the little window showing in the lower left corner that shows the album art. Activate it with the fourth button on the bottom left (next to the shuffle button). This particular show isn’t the flashiest in terms of the enhanced images, but it should work.

    I’ll check it with a Nano and let you know. Anyone else have experience?

  16. Corey says:

    Corey РIt’s hard for me to answer that since I am a bit biased. Still, I don’t imagine many people pop in their animation DVDs to jump to the parts where the voice talent is being interviewed. There is a place for that, but the extras should be about the process, don’t you think?

    I meant why don’t they have more special features about the actual animation process, not the voicing process. We definately share the same bias!!

    Though, coincidentally, on the Disney Treasures Mickey Mouse in Living Colour Volume 2, the making of Mickey’s Christmas Carol is probably the most animation-oriented Disney making-of’s I’ve seen. About why certain animators were chosen for certain roles, how they approached it, what the challenges were, etc.

    Wow, thanks Benjamin, I’ll check that one out!!

  17. Zapnut says:

    Corey РIt’s hard for me to answer that since I am a bit biased. Still, I don’t imagine many people pop in their animation DVDs to jump to the parts where the voice talent is being interviewed. There is a place for that, but the extras should be about the process, don’t you think?
    If you haven’t seen it already, there’s a lot of story/vintage animation behind the scenes stuff on the 2-Disc Lady & The Tramp DVD, even featuring Burny which is cool. It was kind of weird watching the Walt-presented clips, I never had any idea what Milt Kahl looked like until I saw that one.

  18. Corey – We’re in agreement – more animation process, less publicity fluff!

    Zapnut – Now that’s a disc I have. (My favorite classic feature!) Some animation fan I am. I haven’t watched the extras yet. Maybe this weekend. Thanks for the tip.

  19. Zapnut says:

    I find Disney DVDs have the most features on the actual production process of animation (some more than others). I guess it also helps with the vast history of the company.

    A fantastic (albeit bootleg) title i’d have to reccommend to any animation enthusiast, is Garrett Gilchrist’s edit of Richard William’s unfinished classic ‘The Thief and the Cobbler’. Using various sources to piece together the film as Williams had intended it to be.

    Also, on a further Animation Podcast moment of praise: It’s given me the boost i’ve needed to actually ask animators questions about their work. Last semester at university I had the chance to hang out with Dave Alex Riddette, Director of Photography from Aardman Animation for a morning. It was a blast being able to ask him stuff about how they produced stop-motion shorts and features. So thanks again!

  20. Clay, really wonderful interview with Burny Mattinson. I really like his hearty laugh. You can hear the life behind it. It’s so awesome what you are doing for the animation community. I appreciate it!

    ~jason

  21. young vo says:

    the Animation Gods have heard my prays! Awsome, like every body I’ve been checking every day. Now, I shall get my coffee and enjoy. thank you!

  22. Andy says:

    APC make my tummy tingle everytime I see theres a new one.
    Clay, I encourage more “my tummy tingling”. Feed us more animation goodlyness!
    Thanks for this one it’s awesome.
    andy

  23. G** D*** Son of a B****!

    Classic!!!

  24. Yuni says:

    Thanks Clay~ I really enjoyed your interview~! It’s so great. Go Clay :)

  25. Thanks again Clay, this is definately one of my favorites. Mickey’s Christmas Carol is still one my favorite modern mickey shorts/features and its cool to hear about how things came together behind the scenes. Just wanted to let you know too that I’m not in the US and I had no problems donating to the Triathlon so foreign donations work for some people. Keep up the great podcasts and see you again!

  26. Miljan Novcic says:

    My name is Miljan and I am Podcastoholic. :)
    Your show made me an animation geek. Thanks.
    Just to let you know that you have a bunch of fans here in Belgrade.

  27. emma says:

    yay! downloading it now… ill try it out on my nano… heres hoping… :)

    onto Disney DVDs:

    there is a suprising amount on the Lilo and Stitch (2 disc… sorry USA guys!) and the whole process from start to finish (voices, merchandise, watercolours, Sander’s pitch book, trip to hawaii, story, music, character design (Lilo [deja flips through stacks of drawings] and stich [can't remember the guys name... but good too]) and stacks more) …. probably one of the most thought out, and cleverly put together dvds… i got this even though i had the 1 disc one already and fell in love with this documentary…. very candid audio commentary too (go to the credits… the A*Teens comments are hilarious….! ;)

    probably the poorest dvd in my collection is Cinderella, along with The lion King… considering how recent this movie is there should have been alot more on the animation process available… and cinderella could have had at least a commentary…. even if just snipets of info and audio tracks….

    Lets all hope that The Little Mermaid (Oct. this Year… :D ) has some good Keane/Henn/Deja stuff on it… cant wait

    Clay… maybe we need an animation forum or something.. ** ;) ;) …. nudge nudge **

  28. Zapnut – That’s so encouraging that the podcast spurred you to go out and ask questions! Amazing. :)

    Jason, Young, Andy, Bobby, Yuni – Cheers!

    Jeremy – Happy to cater to those Christmas Carol fans. Thanks so much for the donation!

    Miljan – Wonderful to hear! Where are people listening in Belgrade?

    Emma – I think that there was a special Lilo that came out here. I’ll have to double check. Just watched Little Mermaid at the El Capitan (Disney theater in Hollywood) last week. They showed some of the extras from the upcoming DVD and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed!

    Animation forum? Wow, that may be more than I can handle right now. BUT the listeners are pretty enthusiastic about discussing all this, so I’ll keep that idea tucked in the back of my mind. Good suggestion.

  29. Christian says:

    There’s an animation forum at Animated News.

  30. Christian – Thanks for the reminder. I just checked it out and realized how active it is. Don’t you all leave me high and dry, but it is a great place to discuss specific topics in more depth.

  31. emma says:

    cool… at the theatre… i was only 1 when that movie was release so there was little point in my parents taking me to see it on the silver screen… i did see Beauty and the Beast though and according to my mum i was fascinated at the way belle’s hair moved so realistically… i askced her how they did it and she said drawings… (i thought that they painted the whole background over and over… [not knowing about cells or anything] then i thought that that would be way to difficult, and that instead they held up some sort of paper puppet infront of it and moved it… so close for a 4 year old!) wow… some guy from that theatre is coming here to one of our old theatres… i should check out what they are doing… maybe a disney marathon… :D

    i know that there are HEAPS of other forums out there, but i think it would be good, so that we can discuss the different aspects of the podcasts, and dvds ect… rather than randomly posting here… your doing a good job, i just find it hard to follow the subject matter sometimes… (perhaps my own fault for going off topic ALL the time… )

  32. emma says:

    nope clay… doesnt play on ipod nano or in itunes or in Quicktime. the mpeg4 file isn’t corrupted though, cos it plays in windows media player…

  33. Chris Sobieniak says:

    For a while I didn’t think I could hear another podcast from you until I saw the return to the Burny Mattinson interview on my PSP’s RSS option and listen to it the second I got it downloaded! It’s nice to learn more over the making of the one thing that used to impressed me as a 6-7 year old the first time I saw it 20+ years ago. Hope to hear more shows from you as soon as you can make it!

    By the way, someone in another podcast sorta gave a plug out to you due to one person having e-mailed them with non-anime-related questions. That podcast was “Anime World Order” in case you happen to vist them…
    http://www.animeworldorder.com/

    P.S. Interesting someone told you about “hentai”, I still haven’t seen much of it myself, but I know what to expect in those anyway. :-)

  34. emma says:

    loved the podcast… still doesnt work on nano… but im not fussed… :D

  35. mttjss says:

    awesome stuff Clay.
    I just started downloading your podcasts and playing them on my ipod at work. Its awesome to hear animation stuff while I am doing mindless work.

    Loved the Kahl, Keane, and Mattison interviews. Now I gota listen to the rest.

    Matt -

  36. Emma – I saw that someone filmed the panel discussion for The Little Mermaid and put it on Youtube. I’m not sure of the link, but you can probably find it by searching.
    I’m sorry to hear about the Nano. I’ll look in to it for future shows. (Like your gravatar, BTW.) You know, you can also subscribe to any posts you’re commenting on and you should receive an email if someone adds to it. Another thing you can do is use the RSS feed for comments. It’s at the bottom of the page.

    Chris – Thanks for taking the time to write. Honestly, it’s been years since I’ve seen Mickey’s X-mas Carol – I’ll have to watch it again. I love the fact that each person has something among all the shows that they relate to. Very cool for me to see. I haven’t seen that podcast. Hopefully I’ve sent them some listeners too. I’ll give them a listen.

    mttjss – Get to listening to them all. There’s something in each of them that will inspire. I’m working on more.

  37. Jak says:

    Guys,

    Here’s the link to the Little Mermaid panel. I can’t say it’s very insightful, but still nice to see the reunion and enthusiastic fans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVq1siCpcw&feature=PlayList&p=7F9F4AA050DE26A3&index=0

    I agree about the two disc Lilo. Best relese ever and sorry to disappoint you Clay but it’s only region 2 as far as I know.

    Great podcast as usual! Thanks.

    Jak

    PS: Still waiting to hear Nik Ranieri talk about his later work. Those shows were really funny. Please!

  38. Jak – Thanks for all the info! Bummer about the Lilo disc. Good reminder about the Nik stuff. I’ll get to that soon after I finish the Burny files. :)

  39. Emma – I put the show in my Nano (1st gen) and it worked for me. Like I said, not a big deal on this show since there weren’t too many visuals.

  40. Chris Sobieniak says:

    Wouldn’t mind picking up the R2 Lilo & Stitch 2-disc set personally, really enjoyed that film when it was out in the theaters, and I have the capabilities and connections available to get it anyway.

  41. emma says:

    i think lilo and stitch will be arriving soon in america… for info check out the disney website or Ultimated disney.com…. they should have the release dates… thanks for the youtube info… :D

  42. Paul says:

    WOW! BEEN SO BUSY WID SCHOOL!! HAVEN”T GOTTEN TO LISTEN TO THIS!! BUT I WILL!!!LOL!!!

  43. Kantcho says:

    I can’t believe I found out about this podcast just now, spent the last few days listening to all of the interviews at work, soo good, I love it, I want more, soo
    very very inspirational, thank you Clay.

  44. Sean says:

    Clay, been listening to the podcast since the beginning and I’ve gotta say that I’ve loved ‘em all! Thanks for all the work you put in to them, especially since I know it’s just one of those things you do “on the side”.

    I’ve listened to both the Burny shows a couple of times now and love his laugh! He also seems to be very young at heart and a blast to hang out with.

    Thanks for helping me broaden my animation knowledge, not only about the animation process, but the history and the people as well.

    Keep up the good work!!!

  45. Kristine B says:

    Hey Clay! Hope things are going well for ya. Just wanted to give you a heads up that you’ve gotten a few more listeners as I notified CATNAP which is the local animation discussion group out here in Chicago that recently started meeting again. I mentioned your podcast at the last meeting and a few of them have tuned in and or will be tuning in soon.

  46. Clay

    How I wish someone would have done 50 years ago, what you are doing now.
    The art and history of animation owes you a debt of gratitude.

    Thank you

    Rune

  47. emma says:

    yay, clay it does work in itunes, only if you download it from the subscription service, rather than the site… :D …. thanks!

  48. Heather says:

    This is such a great website! As an inspiring animator listening to the masters is a real treat.

  49. Ervin says:

    I came across your podcast just before I went on a 17 hour flight from Singapore to New York. Thank goodness I downloaded all the interviews – they were fantastic and quite honestly, priceless. I listened to all of them straight through. It’s really amazing what you’re doing – my thanks and congratulations to you. Perhaps for future interviews you can include more writers or animators/writers as I think writing for animation is an area that doesn‚Äôt get enough attention in general. Creativescreenwriting (on your ipod too!) had an interview with Pam Pettler (Monster House co-writer) that I found really interesting. Hopefully we‚Äôll get to hear from more writers on your show and have an insight into their development and writing process. Lastly, it‚Äôd be great if you could, from time to time, include interviewees from the TV or even Internet animation world. Again, your podcasts are almost too good to be true :) thanks for the wonderful work!

  50. Marin Petrov says:

    Liked the interviews a lot! Thanks!